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T O P I C R E V I E WTaurusVenusGirlI have a Scorpio Moon and Ascendant, Scorpio's are supposed to be very Jealous. I have a Taurus Sun and we are renowned to be possessive. I am far from Jealous or possessive. I'm very much so, they can do what they want and if they go elsewhere so be it. As well as, what's there to be jealous of when they don't have my soul.So, my question is, is there a trait your sign in supposed to have, or been known to have that you believe you don't possess?hypatia238Vindictive, unforgiving. I have scorpio rising but with moon in pisces square neptune, is easy for me to let go emotions like that. I dont forget but my inclination is to forgive and let go and not stay in that place of anger. Aries23DegreesI never take the descriptions all that seriously.Not without the Moon coming into the pic.Taurus people i have consistently known to be chilled, slow, attractive,spiritually inclined and down to earth. They exude Venus qualities a lot ie. Sensuality,love of simplicity and effortless charm.The Moon however does matter(a lot). Scorpio is not into the tangibles as Taurus can be. And what Taurus thinks is "security" when having things, Scorpio can see as a pervasive illusion.Because Scorpio tends towards more the intangibles (spiritual) outlook of life than Taurus-hence your mention "they don't have my soul".Scorpio knows that tangible security can be taken away in the blink of an eye. So they are more concerned with personal power regardless of these things-that which is not easily taken away from themSo with Sun in Taurus/Moon in Scorpio, personal well-being is all important. And keeping that personal equilibrium is not fearing "loss" (Scorpio Moon)If the Moon was also in Taurus, your focus would be more on "haves". And it would be a personal challenge for you to see yourself as secure without them .The Asc would still play the role of investigator (Sco). But its concern now would be to keep the stuff(Tau Moon) to maintain personal equilibrium(Tau Sun)TaurusVenusGirlAries: Thanks but what about YOUR traits that you're supposed to have but don't?Hypatia: I definitely have the vindictive and unforgiving traits going on. I hold a grudge FOREVER. LalafortunaeaTraits we're supposed to have, but don't? Hmm... The signs in their purest, by default, would have everything they're supposed to, but, with all the different signs, aspects, and also what we've encouraged in our own character, will alter these things. There is also the possibility that perhaps, in our life, we have not faced a situation that has awakened a certain part of ourselves, or we have not adequately been put to the test. Some things lie dormant. Take Lilith for example - in some people, they do not at all display any of their supposed Lilith traits - until one day, a situation, or person, activates it. On the other hand, they could live their whole life, possibility, without it being activated. Then, it becomes Schrodinger's trait lolTaurus is meant to be materialistic. I wasn't materialistic until my late teens. It 'woke up', I guess, and I realized, huh, having nice crap is kinda a thing now.. I also didn't like money, but then, realized I really did LOL Not gold digger level, but if I find a wod of hundreds, I'm takin' that shi* and buying myself a few days at a spa resort, hah! So, I wasn't like that, but, became...And for traits I really don't have (again maybe nothing has incited it), is jealousy. I only have 1 air degree aspect in my whole chart, and MOST things indicate that I SHOULD be a jealous person, but, I don't get jealous. That doesn't mean I haven't felt it once before, but when I did, I thought about it, realized how illogical, useless, and detrimental to relationships it was, and how it really was a waste of time to even entertain jealousy - so, I snubbed it, killed it, and haven't felt it since.I can't even force myself to feel jealous. It just ain't there. Leo also is supposed to be demanding of the spotlight, like, perpetual attention seekers according to very superficial descriptions. I think that's a misconception. Leo by nature, passively commmands and gets attention whether they want it or not, and I don't want it or need it. It makes no difference to me, and I don't seek it out. I find just being alone for months at a time easy and preferrable, and actually, if too much attention is drawn to me, and I'm expected to do something entertaining, I get annoyed and it kinda irks me, because really I don't feed off the attention. I think that would make for a fairly well rounded Leo manifestation. I think the ones that are really seeking attention and glory don't really feel comfortable with themselves and have a lot of insecurity. Leo just naturally does all these things, like commanding attention and being entertaining, so if they feel they have to 'try', when they actually shouldn't have to, it would signify that there are other deeper issues at play. They're also supposed to be extroverts.I'm a total introvert, and actually, I think naturally, a Leo actually is very likely to be an introvert, because again, if they're comfortable with themselves, and not seeking validation from others, that excessive independence and self sufficience would translate to thriving in solitude and liking being outside of social situations.With that, I think sometimes the traits we 'don't have' that we should, could actually be that we're pretty secure. hypatia238 quote:Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:Aries: Thanks but what about YOUR traits that you're supposed to have but don't?Hypatia: I definitely have the vindictive and unforgiving traits going on. I hold a grudge FOREVER. I think bc your big three are all fixed. Also cancer plays a role I feel holding unto grudges in combo with fixed energy bc cancer rules emotions and the past, it gets attached to the grudge. I have a mutable tsquare involving my sun in virgo opposite moon in pisces and neptune in Sagittarius which is my strongest planet so bc of my mutable nature is hard to stay angry for me, I like that about me, it lets me flow and be more in the present. kewf1988 quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I never take the descriptions all that seriously.Not without the Moon coming into the pic.Taurus people i have consistently known to be chilled, slow, attractive,spiritually inclined and down to earth. They exude Venus qualities a lot ie. Sensuality,love of simplicity and effortless charm.The Moon however does matter(a lot). Scorpio is not into the tangibles as Taurus can be. And what Taurus thinks is "security" when having things, Scorpio can see as a pervasive illusion.Because Scorpio tends towards more the intangibles (spiritual) outlook of life than Taurus-hence your mention "they don't have my soul".Scorpio knows that tangible security can be taken away in the blink of an eye. So they are more concerned with personal power regardless of these things-that which is not easily taken away from themSo with Sun in Taurus/Moon in Scorpio, personal well-being is all important. And keeping that personal equilibrium is not fearing "loss" (Scorpio Moon)If the Moon was also in Taurus, your focus would be more on "haves". And it would be a personal challenge for you to see yourself as secure without them .The Asc would still play the role of investigator (Sco). But its concern now would be to keep the stuff(Tau Moon) to maintain personal equilibrium(Tau Sun)This.One of my neighbors is a Taurus with Mercury and Mars also there, and while she does have a lot of the traits (loving the "good life", especially food, being sensual, and not being fast paced), she has Moon, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, and the ascendant in Sagittarius, as well as Venus in Gemini and Pluto in Libra. All of this neutralizes the bad traits of Taurus, and makes her desire experiences more than possessions (one of my mom's exes had Taurus Sun and Sag Moon and was the same way, as we'd often go out to eat and make long drives to the pier for fishing and the beach). All of that Sag energy and the Pluto in Libra also show in that she's very relationship and justice oriented (the Venus in Gemini adds to that giving her a playful and talkative side), and her left wing political indicators in her chart also play a role in that.Even with all that Sag energy, which I knew was there when I first met her, I still correctly guessed the Sun sign, because she looked like a Taurus in bone structure (she has a "bullish" look) while the eyes and outline of the face were Sagittarius (very exotic look as well).Solar_Leo_QueenWell, I have so much Virgo in my chart, I'm apparently supposed to be detail-oriented, practical, perfect, and systematic. I am anything but those. I see the bigger picture much more than the little details. It was only when I was younger that I thought that way. Now I don't really give a sh*t about things that don't truly matter. I don't have to have everyrhing "perfect". I see imperfections as they are and I seldom try to "fix" things that cannot be fixed anymore.Also, I'm bad at math.DualGemV2 quote:Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:Well, I have so much Virgo in my chart, I'm apparently supposed to be detail-oriented, practical, perfect, and systematic. I am anything but those. I see the bigger picture much more than the little details. It was only when I was younger that I thought that way. Now I don't really give a sh*t about things that don't truly matter. I don't have to have everyrhing "perfect". I see imperfections as they are and I seldom try to "fix" things that cannot be fixed anymore.Also, I'm bad at math.hmmm.... You sound very logical when you say "I see the bigger picture much more than the little details".Kinda like a Car..you don't need to know how a V-8 engine works vs a V-12 engine, but you need to know a little bit of each component and what they do and how the engine, muffler and etc come together.Sounds very mercurial to me either Virgo or Gemini. My Planets=========================================☉ ♊, ☽ ♈, ASC ♑, ☿ ♊, △ ♉, ■ ♋ , ♃ ♒, ♄ ♏, ♅ ♐, ♆ ♑RandallBump!MelinnI have strong scorpio/pluto influences in my chart.Pluto in scorpio oppo my sun and chartruler mercury.Venus, jupiter and n.node in 8th house.Venus inconj pluto.Pluto sextile my asc,I'm very plutonic in my personality, obsessive, posessive, secretive. Sometimes acting like a magnet pulling people in. Sometimes I repell people by my speach, I have strong opinions and I wanna everyone to agree with my point of views! etcBUT I'm not vindictive, and I will forgive. I can't stand mad with someone and will carry on as nothing has happened. I think this is thanks to my gemini moon and stellium in my 10th house. And my aries stellium.Also my asc is virgo. But my room is a mess! I try to keep it tidy but it gets messy again a few days later. All the other virgo characteristics I do carry though teaselI was never one to fight, and I'm an Aries Sun. Most of the Aries I know, don't like fighting, and prefer kindness, honesty (but tactful), etc. I will fight now, and I now know how to hold a grudge. Some might say I grew into my Sun and my Scorpio ascendant. I say I've just dealt with too much, and my brain and heart can't handle any more.
I am far from Jealous or possessive. I'm very much so, they can do what they want and if they go elsewhere so be it. As well as, what's there to be jealous of when they don't have my soul.
So, my question is, is there a trait your sign in supposed to have, or been known to have that you believe you don't possess?
Taurus people i have consistently known to be chilled, slow, attractive,spiritually inclined and down to earth.
They exude Venus qualities a lot ie. Sensuality,love of simplicity and effortless charm.
The Moon however does matter(a lot). Scorpio is not into the tangibles as Taurus can be. And what Taurus thinks is "security" when having things, Scorpio can see as a pervasive illusion.
Because Scorpio tends towards more the intangibles (spiritual) outlook of life than Taurus-hence your mention "they don't have my soul".
Scorpio knows that tangible security can be taken away in the blink of an eye. So they are more concerned with personal power regardless of these things-that which is not easily taken away from them
So with Sun in Taurus/Moon in Scorpio, personal well-being is all important. And keeping that personal equilibrium is not fearing "loss" (Scorpio Moon)
If the Moon was also in Taurus, your focus would be more on "haves". And it would be a personal challenge for you to see yourself as secure without them .
The Asc would still play the role of investigator (Sco). But its concern now would be to keep the stuff(Tau Moon) to maintain personal equilibrium(Tau Sun)
Hypatia: I definitely have the vindictive and unforgiving traits going on. I hold a grudge FOREVER.
There is also the possibility that perhaps, in our life, we have not faced a situation that has awakened a certain part of ourselves, or we have not adequately been put to the test. Some things lie dormant.
Take Lilith for example - in some people, they do not at all display any of their supposed Lilith traits - until one day, a situation, or person, activates it. On the other hand, they could live their whole life, possibility, without it being activated. Then, it becomes Schrodinger's trait lol
Taurus is meant to be materialistic. I wasn't materialistic until my late teens. It 'woke up', I guess, and I realized, huh, having nice crap is kinda a thing now.. I also didn't like money, but then, realized I really did LOL Not gold digger level, but if I find a wod of hundreds, I'm takin' that shi* and buying myself a few days at a spa resort, hah! So, I wasn't like that, but, became...
And for traits I really don't have (again maybe nothing has incited it), is jealousy. I only have 1 air degree aspect in my whole chart, and MOST things indicate that I SHOULD be a jealous person, but, I don't get jealous. That doesn't mean I haven't felt it once before, but when I did, I thought about it, realized how illogical, useless, and detrimental to relationships it was, and how it really was a waste of time to even entertain jealousy - so, I snubbed it, killed it, and haven't felt it since.
I can't even force myself to feel jealous. It just ain't there.
Leo also is supposed to be demanding of the spotlight, like, perpetual attention seekers according to very superficial descriptions. I think that's a misconception. Leo by nature, passively commmands and gets attention whether they want it or not, and I don't want it or need it. It makes no difference to me, and I don't seek it out. I find just being alone for months at a time easy and preferrable, and actually, if too much attention is drawn to me, and I'm expected to do something entertaining, I get annoyed and it kinda irks me, because really I don't feed off the attention.
I think that would make for a fairly well rounded Leo manifestation. I think the ones that are really seeking attention and glory don't really feel comfortable with themselves and have a lot of insecurity. Leo just naturally does all these things, like commanding attention and being entertaining, so if they feel they have to 'try', when they actually shouldn't have to, it would signify that there are other deeper issues at play. They're also supposed to be extroverts.I'm a total introvert, and actually, I think naturally, a Leo actually is very likely to be an introvert, because again, if they're comfortable with themselves, and not seeking validation from others, that excessive independence and self sufficience would translate to thriving in solitude and liking being outside of social situations.
With that, I think sometimes the traits we 'don't have' that we should, could actually be that we're pretty secure.
quote:Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:Aries: Thanks but what about YOUR traits that you're supposed to have but don't?Hypatia: I definitely have the vindictive and unforgiving traits going on. I hold a grudge FOREVER.
I think bc your big three are all fixed. Also cancer plays a role I feel holding unto grudges in combo with fixed energy bc cancer rules emotions and the past, it gets attached to the grudge.
I have a mutable tsquare involving my sun in virgo opposite moon in pisces and neptune in Sagittarius which is my strongest planet so bc of my mutable nature is hard to stay angry for me, I like that about me, it lets me flow and be more in the present.
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I never take the descriptions all that seriously.Not without the Moon coming into the pic.Taurus people i have consistently known to be chilled, slow, attractive,spiritually inclined and down to earth. They exude Venus qualities a lot ie. Sensuality,love of simplicity and effortless charm.The Moon however does matter(a lot). Scorpio is not into the tangibles as Taurus can be. And what Taurus thinks is "security" when having things, Scorpio can see as a pervasive illusion.Because Scorpio tends towards more the intangibles (spiritual) outlook of life than Taurus-hence your mention "they don't have my soul".Scorpio knows that tangible security can be taken away in the blink of an eye. So they are more concerned with personal power regardless of these things-that which is not easily taken away from themSo with Sun in Taurus/Moon in Scorpio, personal well-being is all important. And keeping that personal equilibrium is not fearing "loss" (Scorpio Moon)If the Moon was also in Taurus, your focus would be more on "haves". And it would be a personal challenge for you to see yourself as secure without them .The Asc would still play the role of investigator (Sco). But its concern now would be to keep the stuff(Tau Moon) to maintain personal equilibrium(Tau Sun)
This.
One of my neighbors is a Taurus with Mercury and Mars also there, and while she does have a lot of the traits (loving the "good life", especially food, being sensual, and not being fast paced), she has Moon, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, and the ascendant in Sagittarius, as well as Venus in Gemini and Pluto in Libra. All of this neutralizes the bad traits of Taurus, and makes her desire experiences more than possessions (one of my mom's exes had Taurus Sun and Sag Moon and was the same way, as we'd often go out to eat and make long drives to the pier for fishing and the beach). All of that Sag energy and the Pluto in Libra also show in that she's very relationship and justice oriented (the Venus in Gemini adds to that giving her a playful and talkative side), and her left wing political indicators in her chart also play a role in that.
Even with all that Sag energy, which I knew was there when I first met her, I still correctly guessed the Sun sign, because she looked like a Taurus in bone structure (she has a "bullish" look) while the eyes and outline of the face were Sagittarius (very exotic look as well).
Also, I'm bad at math.
quote:Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:Well, I have so much Virgo in my chart, I'm apparently supposed to be detail-oriented, practical, perfect, and systematic. I am anything but those. I see the bigger picture much more than the little details. It was only when I was younger that I thought that way. Now I don't really give a sh*t about things that don't truly matter. I don't have to have everyrhing "perfect". I see imperfections as they are and I seldom try to "fix" things that cannot be fixed anymore.Also, I'm bad at math.
hmmm.... You sound very logical when you say "I see the bigger picture much more than the little details".
Kinda like a Car..you don't need to know how a V-8 engine works vs a V-12 engine, but you need to know a little bit of each component and what they do and how the engine, muffler and etc come together.
Sounds very mercurial to me either Virgo or Gemini.
My Planets=========================================☉ ♊, ☽ ♈, ASC ♑, ☿ ♊, △ ♉, ■ ♋ , ♃ ♒, ♄ ♏, ♅ ♐, ♆ ♑
Pluto in scorpio oppo my sun and chartruler mercury.
Venus, jupiter and n.node in 8th house.
Venus inconj pluto.
Pluto sextile my asc,
I'm very plutonic in my personality, obsessive, posessive, secretive. Sometimes acting like a magnet pulling people in. Sometimes I repell people by my speach, I have strong opinions and I wanna everyone to agree with my point of views! etc
BUT I'm not vindictive, and I will forgive. I can't stand mad with someone and will carry on as nothing has happened. I think this is thanks to my gemini moon and stellium in my 10th house. And my aries stellium.
Also my asc is virgo. But my room is a mess! I try to keep it tidy but it gets messy again a few days later. All the other virgo characteristics I do carry though
I will fight now, and I now know how to hold a grudge. Some might say I grew into my Sun and my Scorpio ascendant. I say I've just dealt with too much, and my brain and heart can't handle any more.
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